Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/09/2001 09:46 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                          April 09, 2001                                                                                      
                              9:46 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly convened the meeting at approximately 9:46 AM.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Jerry Ward, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:   SENATOR ROBIN TAYLOR; EDDIE JEANS,  School Finance                                                          
Manager,  Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development;  STEVE                                                            
CATHEOS, Superintendent  of Schools in Valdez; CARL  ROSE, Executive                                                            
Director, Association of Alaska School Boards;                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 174-EDUCATION FUNDING                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard from the Department of Education and Early                                                                  
Development and representatives from school districts. The bill was                                                             
held in Committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 174                                                                                                        
     "An Act relating to education funding; and providing for an                                                                
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley stated  the intent  of the  bill is  an attempt  to                                                            
"bring more  equity into what local  contributions towards  the cost                                                            
of education  are by local governments."  He shared the current  "45                                                            
percent rule,"  which stipulates that no school district  has to pay                                                            
more than  45 percent of  the local cost of  their K-12 schools.  He                                                            
indicated the  45 percent cap is removed  in Section 1 of  the bill,                                                            
leaving  an  equivalency  of a  four-mill  property  tax  cap. As  a                                                            
result,  he pointed  out that  while no  local government  would  be                                                            
required to pay more than  four mills, they would be required to pay                                                            
at least up to  the actual cost of local expense of  K-12 education.                                                            
He  remarked,  "This  frees  up a  significant  number  of  dollars;                                                            
something between  ten and twelve  million dollars, for utilization                                                             
and doing what appears in Section 2."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  continued  that  Section  2 is  the  base  student                                                            
allocation, which  he said is increased by $36 in  this section. The                                                            
amount is increased from $3,940 to $3,976.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  then outlined Section  3, which amends the  current                                                            
definition  of school size and "more  closely conforms with  what an                                                            
appropriate  level  for that  school  size should  be  in doing  the                                                            
calculation  within  the foundation  formula."  He  said the  school                                                            
population  changes  from  750  to 400.  The  school  population  is                                                            
determined using Average Daily Membership (ADM).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley stressed  that this  is a "major  increase"  in the                                                            
foundation funding  formula in the amount of money  that reaches the                                                            
classrooms. He stated the  North Slope Borough would be the district                                                            
that would  contribute the most additional  money to the  local cost                                                            
of education,  but would  still "not be over  three percent  for the                                                            
four mill equivalency."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  shared that Anchorage currently pays  approximately                                                            
six mills  equivalency for  local education.  He therefore  surmised                                                            
that taxpayers in the North  Slope Borough would still pay less than                                                            
half the amount Anchorage  taxpayers pay toward their local schools.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  spoke to Section 2  of the bill, noting the  $36 per                                                            
student  increase to  the  base student  allocation  from $3,940  to                                                            
$3,976  is based on  the cost of  living increase  in Anchorage.  He                                                            
said this recognizes  the "central fact that inflation  is something                                                            
that we  need to deal  with and  our school districts  need  to deal                                                            
with on an  annual basis." He calculated  the $36 increase  based on                                                            
approximately  209,000  adjusted students,  to  equal approximately                                                             
$7.5 million increase to K-12 education funding.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken   reinforced  Co-Chair   Donley's  earlier   comment                                                            
stating, "at 100 percent,  the North Slope Borough would be at about                                                            
a 1.8 or 2.0  mill as opposed to the  rest of organized Alaska  that                                                            
are required to spend four  mills and indeed Anchorage and Fairbanks                                                            
spend about  eight mills for education."  Senator Wilken  emphasized                                                            
it  this needs  to  be kept  in  perspective  that the  North  Slope                                                            
Borough  would be  funding at  less than  half of what  the rest  of                                                            
organized Alaska funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked  Co-Chair Donley if other areas of the state                                                            
would be impacted beside the North Slope Borough.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley listed two  other potential  areas affected  by the                                                            
percentage change as Valdez and Skagway.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken added Unalaska would also be affected.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked if  the current  limit for local  education                                                            
contribution is four mills.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  responded that four mills, or 45 percent,  whichever                                                            
is less, is the  minimum requirement for organized  Alaska. He noted                                                            
that most of organized  Alaska contributes more the required minimum                                                            
amount. He  stated that the lesser  amount must be reached  in order                                                            
to qualify for state funding.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:55 AM / 9:56 AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman understood  that  the local  government  actually                                                            
loses state  funds if the local contribution  becomes higher  than a                                                            
certain mill rate.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE JEANS,  School Finance  Manager, Department  of Education  and                                                            
Early Development,  gave a brief summary  of the foundation  funding                                                            
formula.  He  detailed  the  process  of  calculating  the  adjusted                                                            
average  daily membership  for the school  districts, multiplied  by                                                            
the  base student  allocation  and subtracting  the  required  local                                                            
municipal  school district  contribution, which  he noted is  either                                                            
from a four  mill tax levy  or 45 percent  of that district's  basic                                                            
need for the preceding  year.  He stressed that "it's  not an either                                                            
or at this  point, it's  whichever is less."  He continued  that the                                                            
federal impact  aid is then  subtracted and  the remaining  money is                                                            
state foundation aid.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  restated   his  question,  asking  if  a  school                                                            
district  contributes more  than four  mill, what  is the affect  on                                                            
state funding.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  replied  that there  is a limit  on the  amount of  local                                                            
contribution that school  districts can receive from municipalities.                                                            
He said that  if this amount is exceeded,  the state aid  is reduced                                                            
to  that  district  "dollar  for dollar".  He  emphasized  that  the                                                            
department monitors this closely.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked what is the local funding limit.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans answered,  "the cap is 23  percent of basic need  is added                                                            
to your  four mill required  local contribution."  He noted  that if                                                            
the required local contribution  is equal to the 45 percent of basic                                                            
need provision,  an additional two  mills is allowed. He  noted that                                                            
this amount  varies from  district to district  with some  districts                                                            
limited at six mills and others as high as 12 or 14 mills.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked if  the  23 percent  of  basic  need is  "the                                                            
disparity."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  affirmed  and explained  that the  limitation is  present                                                            
because   the  State  of   Alaska  considers   federal  money   when                                                            
determining the amount of state aid to give to school districts.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  drew the members'  attention to  an error on page  two of                                                            
the  fiscal  note:  the list  of  school  districts  and  respective                                                            
changes in state aid categorized  by the three sections of the bill.                                                            
He pointed out that contrary  to the information provided, Section 2                                                            
of the bill would  not result in an additional $187,473  funding for                                                            
the North Slope  Borough. He stated,  "The fact is, this  bill takes                                                            
the North  Slope Borough  off the funding  formula." He pointed  out                                                            
that  this district  "could only  lose  what they  are scheduled  to                                                            
receive,"  which he said  is reflected as  the $9,802,554  reduction                                                            
resulting from the provision in Section 1 of the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans stated  for the record the department's  opposition to the                                                            
bill. He  stressed that  the department  does not  support any  bill                                                            
that  "takes  money  from other  school  districts  to  support  the                                                            
overall funding formula."  He remarked that this legislation appears                                                            
to  do this  and has  targeted  four specific  school  districts  to                                                            
provide additional  funding for all  of the other school  districts.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  stated  he  understood   the  bill  structure  only                                                            
requires these districts  to pay at approximately the same rate that                                                            
all the  other districts  pay, or "under the  same rules" the  other                                                            
districts  pay. He  stressed  that if  the legislation  imposed  the                                                            
four-mill requirement  on these municipalities, he  could agree with                                                            
the witness,  but that requiring  them to  pay 100 percent  of their                                                            
basic need  only requires  them to fund their  own school  district,                                                            
not to fund other districts.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans understood  Co-Chair Kelly's  point but countered  that SB
36,  which  established  the  foundation  funding  formula  and  was                                                            
adopted  in 1998,  provided for  redistribution and  an increase  in                                                            
required  local contribution  for  the four districts  in  question.                                                            
Before passage  of SB 36, he said, the required local  effort was 35                                                            
percent of  basic need, and  after the bill's  adoption, the  amount                                                            
increased to 45 percent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  asked the increased required local  contribution for                                                            
Skagway and other school  districts as a result of SB 174 before the                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans listed  Skagway at $162,706, Unalaska at  $230,387, Valdez                                                            
at $1,368,230  and the North  Slope Borough,  which would loose  all                                                            
state aid, at $9,802,554.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly wanted to  know if the amount  that his district  in                                                            
Fairbanks must pay would decrease.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans responded that  the required local effort of the Fairbanks                                                            
North Star  Borough would not increase  and that the district  would                                                            
receive additional state support.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  clarified that the  formula is structured,  "so that                                                            
my district has a little  less coming to it, because the North Slope                                                            
and others are  paying less." He surmised that the  Fairbanks school                                                            
district  receives fewer  education  funds because  the North  Slope                                                            
Borough does not  contribute $9 million, Valdez is  not contributing                                                            
$1.3  million,  and  Skagway  and  Unalaska   are not  contributing                                                             
$500,000.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans argued  that the legislature  had the opportunity  to deal                                                            
with this under  SB 36. He stated that Co-Chair Kelly's  analysis is                                                            
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  opined  that  the  reality  is  opposite  from  the                                                            
department's position that  SB 174 would take from some districts to                                                            
increase funding for other  districts. He elaborated that currently,                                                            
communities  that  could  contribute,   and  in  his  opinion  would                                                            
contribute  under  a fairer  formula,  are  not contributing.  As  a                                                            
result,  he  stated,  his  district   and  others  are  required  to                                                            
contribute additional funds to cover their education costs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley added that  the two districts that would be "hardest                                                            
hit" by  this legislation  are the same districts  that have  "total                                                            
capability  to make up for that with  oil and gas property  tax that                                                            
they  are essentially  stealing  from  the  state by  raising  their                                                            
property  taxes so high that  they capture  all of it and not  allow                                                            
almost  any  of it  to  come back  to  the state  government."    He                                                            
continued  that it was not  the original intent  of the oil  and gas                                                            
property  tax  "that local  communities  would  try to  capture  the                                                            
entire  amount  as  both  Valdez  and  North  Slope  have  virtually                                                            
attempted to do."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley then stated,  "A lot of that  oil and gas  activity                                                            
not only affects those  local communities but many other communities                                                            
in the state;  so that revenue should be shared more  fairly then it                                                            
currently is being  shared. I think they should get  the majority of                                                            
that revenue  but not all of it, or  virtually all of it  as they're                                                            
currently absorbing through the oil and gas property tax."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  brought attention  to the  data in the fiscal  note                                                            
showing  the negative  $314,983 impact  that Section  3 of the  bill                                                            
would have on the Lower Yukon school district.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans explained this  is a result of the provision in Section 3,                                                            
subsection  2 that reduces  the ADM that  constitutes a school  from                                                            
750 to 400. The subsection reads as follows.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          (2) a community with an ADM of at least 101, but not more                                                             
     than 400 shall be counted as                                                                                               
                (A) one elementary school, which includes those                                                                 
     students in grades kindergarten through six; and                                                                           
                (B) one secondary school, which includes students in                                                            
     grades seven through 12                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  understood   this  provision  is  intended   to  provide                                                            
additional  funding   for  Petersburg  and  Wrangell,   since  those                                                            
districts  are now funded  for two schools  when they actually  have                                                            
three facilities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  informed  the Committee  that  Hooper Bay,  in the  Lower                                                            
Yukon  school district,  was  projected  to exceed  400  ADM in  the                                                            
following year  by three students.  It would then become  subject to                                                            
the provision  in subsection 3, which  states, "in a community  with                                                            
an ADM of greater than  400, each facility that is administered as a                                                            
separate  school  shall be  counted  as one  school…"  Because  this                                                            
district has one large  K-12 facility, he said, the funding would be                                                            
reduced  from  the  amount allocated  for  two  schools,  under  the                                                            
provision in subsection 2, to the amount allocated for one.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  if  the Lower  Yukon school  district  would                                                            
therefore  be  penalized  $500,000   because  they  have  one  large                                                            
facility rather than more than one school facility.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  shared  an earlier conversation  he had  with the                                                            
witness  and  the  suggestion  that  amending  the  maximum  ADM  in                                                            
subsection 2 to 425 could  address the intent to fund the Petersburg                                                            
and Wrangell  communities  for three  schools and  yet not  penalize                                                            
Hooper Bay for having one school.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  elaborated that  this was not  a viable solution  because                                                            
the student  enrollments  in Petersburg and  Wrangell are  declining                                                            
while Hooper  Bay is experiencing  increasing  enrollment.  He added                                                            
that the projected  enrollment in the Valdez school  district is 467                                                            
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans asserted  that the North  Slope Borough, Valdez,  Unalaska                                                            
and Skagway school  districts are making a higher  contribution on a                                                            
"per pupil basis" than  other communities in the state. He requested                                                            
that the Committee take this into consideration.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley agreed  this was correct but that the calculation is                                                            
not  on  a  "per  taxpayer  basis"  and  that  taxpayers   in  other                                                            
communities  contribute  a greater  amount  of personal  revenue  to                                                            
supporting their schools.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  asked if the North  Slope Borough is the  richest in                                                            
the United States.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans replied that he could not answer that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  estimated   that  it is  and  reaffirmed   Co-Chair                                                            
Donley's assertion that  on a "per taxpayer basis," residents of the                                                            
North Slope  Borough contribute  much less  than taxpayers  in other                                                            
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  stated that the North  Slope Borough has managed  its                                                            
finances prudently.  He opined that to categorize  it as the richest                                                            
borough is misleading.  He agreed with the witness  that the borough                                                            
does contribute a fair  amount to local education and added that the                                                            
where  the funding  comes from  is less  important  then the  amount                                                            
contributed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  emphasized that his  objection to the legislation  is                                                            
that  the  focus  should  instead  be  on  educating   students  and                                                            
preparing  them  to  pass  the  exit  exam.  He  asserted  there  is                                                            
something  wrong with reducing  funding to  the North Slope  Borough                                                            
schools as well  as the other schools in his district.  He asked how                                                            
students could be expected  to pass the exit exam if the schools are                                                            
not adequately funded.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  next stated, "I get the idea that this  whole bill is                                                            
because somebody  wants to get at somebody else and  that's not what                                                            
the legislature is all  about." He noted that while he does not live                                                            
in the  North Slope Borough,  he interpreted  the sentiment  at this                                                            
meeting  as  "let's get  them!"  Because  of  this, he  warned,  the                                                            
students would suffer.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly responded,  "There  is no  desire  to make  students                                                            
suffer or to get anyone.  The problem is, I think as many members of                                                            
this Committee  see it, it is the North Slope Borough  that has been                                                            
getting us  for a long time.  We've been paying  our fair share  and                                                            
more  and they  have not  been  paying their  fair  share and  less.                                                            
That's  the point  of  this bill  is that  there  is a  flaw in  the                                                            
formula.  The  reason  there  is  a  flaw  in  the  formula  is  the                                                            
incredible  political power  of the  richest borough  in the  United                                                            
States  that has  influence  on  our statutes.  They  influence  our                                                            
statutes to keep it so  they don't pay their fair share and the rest                                                            
of us pay our fair share and more."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  surmised that the sentiment voiced  by Co-Chair Kelly                                                            
is  not  the  same  as  that  of  the  predecessors  who  wrote  the                                                            
foundation  formula. He expressed,  "The sentiment  has changed  and                                                            
because  of that  you're  in this  conflict.  All I'm  doing now  is                                                            
trying to represent  the people that  are up there, who from  what I                                                            
see  don't   have  a  fair   chance  of   education.  That   is  the                                                            
responsibility  of the  state and  particularly  this bill  inhibits                                                            
those students  from being  able to get the  education they  need so                                                            
they can  pass this  exit exam. Because  of that  sir, I think  that                                                            
this is  a bad bill." He  added that students  living in Hooper  Bay                                                            
would  suffer  as  a  result  "of  this  dissention  on  how  school                                                            
districts are being funded."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly clarified that  the debate  was about Section  1 and                                                            
not Section  3, which applies to Hooper  Bay. He stressed,  "I don't                                                            
think  you would  find  on this  Committee,  it would  certainly  be                                                            
arguable,  that Hooper Bay  may have to be  taken care of.  But when                                                            
you  start lumping  what's  happening with  Hooper  Bay into  what's                                                            
happening with  the North Slope, you're no longer  arguing apples to                                                            
apples." He conceded  that Section 3 could require  reconsideration.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  commented  that  Senator  Olson  is  an  excellent                                                            
advocate for his  community and his constituents.  However, Co-Chair                                                            
Donley stated  he wanted  it understood that  Section 3 "is  not the                                                            
final product."  He noted that although  the bill had been  heard in                                                            
other committees the issue  of Hooper Bay was only just revealed. He                                                            
predicted  that   the  Senate  Finance  Committee   "would  be  very                                                            
sensitive" to  addressing this problem. He said that  with exception                                                            
of  this "unintended  impact,"  there  were  no students  who  would                                                            
receive any less education funding under this legislation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  expressed, "In fact, I would love  to trade some of                                                            
my schools  in the  Anchorage area  for the schools  that the  North                                                            
Slope Borough  has built over the years." He asserted  these schools                                                            
are "excellent educational facilities."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  argued that  when he looks  at education he  looks at                                                            
results. He stressed  that when students are not passing  exit exams                                                            
"there  is something  wrong with what's  going on."  He opined  that                                                            
some students  living  in his  legislative district  were  "hurting"                                                            
more than students in other districts.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  countered that the issue is not about  exit exams or                                                            
"getting anybody." He stated,  "This is about everybody living under                                                            
the  same set  of rules  when  it comes  to funding  education."  He                                                            
reiterated  that  the four-mill  property  tax  is required  of  the                                                            
residents  of his legislative  district before  any state funds  are                                                            
contributed to  local education. He continued that  if the residents                                                            
of the  North Slope Borough  had the same  requirement for  taxpayer                                                            
contribution,  they would  still be  contributing  half of what  the                                                            
residents of  the Fairbanks North  Star Borough must contribute.  He                                                            
emphasized  that  this legislation  does  not  ask the  North  Slope                                                            
Borough residents to contribute any more than other Alaskans.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  then responded  to  Mr.  Jeans' comment  that  the                                                            
legislature   had  the  opportunity   to  require  a  higher   local                                                            
commitment  under   SB  36.  Co-Chair  Donley  countered   that  the                                                            
legislature  did not have  that opportunity  since the governor  had                                                            
threatened  to   veto  the  bill  if  the  Senate  version   of  the                                                            
legislation, which contained the higher provision, passed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly agreed and  said it was unfortunate that the governor                                                            
took  such  a  stand  over  five  to  ten  percent  of  the  state's                                                            
population at the expense of the remaining population.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
STEVE CATHEOS,  Superintendent of Schools in Valdez,  testified that                                                            
he understood the desire  for equity. However, he did not agree that                                                            
tying  the local  contribution  to  the mill  rate was  the  correct                                                            
approach. He reminded the  Committee of earlier discussion regarding                                                            
the need  to equalize  per  pupil contributions,  and  that on  this                                                            
basis the community  of Valdez contributes  more per pupil  than all                                                            
but one  other district in  the state. He  asserted this measure  of                                                            
local support should be recognized and respected.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Catheos  commented  that if  the  argument  in this  bill  were                                                            
accepted,  vehicle registration  and  hunting and  fishing  licenses                                                            
should indexed  to a resident's  personal income  as well,  with the                                                            
wealthier citizens paying a higher amount then the majority.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Catheos  cited that  the  municipality  in  Valdez contributes                                                             
nearly $6,000  per pupil for education  and that no other  community                                                            
along the Rail belt contributes  close to that amount. He noted that                                                            
under this legislation  Valdez would loose between  $1.3 million and                                                            
$1.4 million of state support in the following year.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Catheos  spoke  of the  requirements  on  the  municipality  to                                                            
maintain  an  extensive   infrastructure  to  support   the  Alyeska                                                            
Pipeline. He stated that  much of the tax revenue garnered in Valdez                                                            
is needed  to maintain  the services  necessary  to support the  oil                                                            
industry. Therefore,  he stated that four mills in  Anchorage is not                                                            
the same as four mills  in Valdez in terms of burden because much of                                                            
Valdez tax revenue must  be spend as a result of the industry, which                                                            
generates revenue for the entire state.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  pointed out that the  mill rate in Valdez is  20 mills,                                                            
and  he suggested  that  the rest  of the  state should  reach  that                                                            
amount  before  reducing  state education  funding  for  Valdez.  He                                                            
explained that  the residents of Valdez  made a conscious  choice to                                                            
support  local students  at  this  rate, and  that this  bill  would                                                            
increase that burden and remove funding for other services.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos noted students  in Valdez and Unalaska performed highest                                                            
in the  state on  the exit  exam. He  opined that  "it sends a  poor                                                            
message"  to take away  funding after performance  has been  proven.                                                            
While he understood  the issue is not about exit exams,  he surmised                                                            
that funding should be  increased to the other districts in order to                                                            
raise those students'  performance rather than cutting  funding from                                                            
the districts that have been successful.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  voiced concerns  with legal  ramifications of  removing                                                            
the 45 percent  local contribution requirement. He  recommended this                                                            
be researched.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos next  stated that state funding for schools  is only one                                                            
part of government  support for communities. He remarked  that other                                                            
systems  are  inequitably  distributed,  such  as  the  state  ferry                                                            
system.  He did not  think it  reasonable to  divide marine  highway                                                            
funds equally  across the state because  communities have  different                                                            
needs. He stated, "Each  community has an individual personality and                                                            
set of needs that  must be addressed by the state."  He charged that                                                            
if the intent is true equality  in state funding then marine highway                                                            
funds  should  be transferred  to  his community  and  state  office                                                            
buildings and other facilities  should be equally located across the                                                            
state. He emphasized  the economic value of these  facilities noting                                                            
that restaurants,  taxi service and  other businesses surround,  and                                                            
are supported  by, each office building in Anchorage.  He said rural                                                            
communities would similarly benefit from state office buildings.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Catheos spoke  of  the economic  boom  periods  of gold,  fish,                                                            
timber,  military  activity,  tourism,   etc.  in  Alaska's  history                                                            
stressing that  the oil boom affecting Valdez is in  decline. He did                                                            
not  think that  Valdez  should  be penalized  for  "careful  fiscal                                                            
planning" that  would prevent the  community from becoming  a burden                                                            
on the state when the oil revenues are gone.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  reminded that  during the timber  boom in Southeastern                                                             
Alaska during  the 1960s, revenues were not shared  with the rest of                                                            
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  opined that the philosophy  in this bill is  similar to                                                            
the  federal government  telling  the  State  of Alaska,  "We're  no                                                            
longer  going to give  any federal  funds until  you spend off  your                                                            
permanent  fund because  you're too  rich and everybody  has  to pay                                                            
their fair  share. So we're  only going to  fund other states.  When                                                            
you are broke, then we  will resume federal funding for the State of                                                            
Alaska."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  concluded  by commenting  that increasing  funding  for                                                            
education is not "throwing  money at schools" because there has been                                                            
a "serious decline"  in spendable dollars due to inflation.  He gave                                                            
the two to three-fold increase  in the cost of textbooks in the past                                                            
ten years as an example.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly responded  to the  witness's  comment regarding  the                                                            
economic boom  in the oil industry.  Co-Chair Kelly stated  that his                                                            
community of Fairbanks  as well as the rest of the  state would also                                                            
be affected by the decline in this industry.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman  addressed  the  correlation   between  spending  and                                                            
performance on  the exit exam. He warned that the  witness should be                                                            
careful  in making  this  correlation  because  the results  do  not                                                            
confirm that the competency  exam scores relate well to spending. He                                                            
admitted that  local effort might play a part in performance  on the                                                            
exams,  although his  research has  found that  districts where  the                                                            
state has  spent the  most money  have the  poorest competency  exam                                                            
results.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  asked the effect of the proposed  funding reduction                                                            
on the Valdez schools.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  replied that if the funding  was not replaced  locally,                                                            
all sports programs could  be eliminated and the district would lose                                                            
one-forth of all teachers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked how  the witness predicted  the district  would                                                            
make up for  the lost revenue since  the community is already  taxed                                                            
at the maximum amount.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Catheos  responded  that  it  appears  that it  would  be  very                                                            
difficult.  He  listed  the infrastructure  required  of  the  small                                                            
community  because of the  pipeline, such  as the professional  fire                                                            
department.  He was unable  to predict the  amount of reductions  to                                                            
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly suggested  that the  assembly would  have to  decide                                                            
whether the taxpayers would  pay more or to reduce spending on other                                                            
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley added  that  the assembly  also has  the option  to                                                            
prioritize education within their existing budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Catheos  thanked Senator  Leman for his  comment, saying  he did                                                            
not wish to "oversimplify" school performance.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  stated that the witness is a good  advocate for his                                                            
school district.  However he argued  against the federal  government                                                            
analogy, saying, "States  are not taking the federal income tax away                                                            
from the  federal government."  He  opined that  if the states  were                                                            
doing  this  and  thus   preventing  the  federal  government   from                                                            
receiving that  income tax, it would be appropriate  for the federal                                                            
government to return the burden to the states.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR   ROBIN  TAYLOR   appreciated  the   Committee  reaching   a                                                            
compromise  between SB 1 and SB 94,  because he found there  to be a                                                            
need for additional funding  in the foundation formula statewide. He                                                            
stated  that  he wished  a  larger  amount, but  he  understood  the                                                            
constraints.  He calculated  between  $90 and $100  in general  fund                                                            
grants per student.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor argued  against  the comments  from  members at  the                                                            
table that  "you're cutting  this and cutting  that" saying  this is                                                            
"totally fallacious."   He stated that this bill is  not a decrease,                                                            
but rather  a  $36 increase  for all  students,  including those  in                                                            
Barrow and  Valdez. He had  thought borough  assemblies and  not the                                                            
school districts  would testify against  the legislation,  since the                                                            
assemblies  are charged to "play on  the same level playing  field."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator  Taylor continued  that  the  Valdez school  district  would                                                            
receive  more  funding  if  this  bill  passes.   He  suggested  the                                                            
superintendent  from Valdez  would have instead  asked how  many new                                                            
teachers to hire.  He stated that the Valdez assembly  would have to                                                            
instead  prioritize  between  education  and the  professional  fire                                                            
department, as his community must do.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  expressed that  there are two  sets of rules  in the                                                            
state:  one for the  "very rich"  and one  for the  "very poor".  He                                                            
explained  that the very  poor are required  to pay a minimum  four-                                                            
mill property tax and he  detailed the process whereby the community                                                            
could contribute additional  educational funding. He listed property                                                            
owners in Fairbanks  as paying 6.84  mills and those in Wrangell  as                                                            
paying 8.74  mills. He stated that  the "very poor" rule  applies to                                                            
about 90 percent of the  school districts in the state. He asked why                                                            
there should  be two rules, "Is a  child on the North Slope  Borough                                                            
worth  less?"  He  surmised  this  is true  given  how  the  borough                                                            
prioritizes  property taxes  for education  funding. He then  asked,                                                            
"Is a child in Wrangell  worth less?" He stated this is true because                                                            
Wrangell receives less state funding for education.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor expressed  he would  "love to have  what Valdez  has                                                            
got" in  that residents  in that  community would  only have  to pay                                                            
four mills and their children  would receive more education funding.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  reminded the Committee  that when SB 36 passed,  the                                                            
legislature  "stood  up  to  the  governor"  by  raising  the  local                                                            
contribution  from  a  minimum  of  35 percent  to  45  percent.  He                                                            
admitted  that an increase  to 100 percent  could be too much  of an                                                            
adjustment  for Valdez and  the North Slope  Borough to make  in one                                                            
year. He stated,  "It's less than  a one mill problem for  the North                                                            
Slope," while  Wrangell increased  the mill levy by 20 percent  just                                                            
to make  the local  contribution to  schools. He  asked, "Could  the                                                            
North Slope Borough under  this draconian formula, finally be forced                                                            
to  go up  one  mill?  Not to  go  up  one mill  remember,  just  to                                                            
reprioritize it."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  reiterated  that this bill  does not reduce  funding                                                            
for  education.  Instead, he  claimed,  it "gives  a  raise" to  the                                                            
superintendents of schools to use for education.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor  addressed the  change  to the  ADM  to address  the                                                            
school  size funding  issue in  Wrangell and  Petersburg. He  stated                                                            
that under  this provision the community  of Hooper Bay would  "grow                                                            
into  the  category  of  a  medium  size  school"  and  would  loose                                                            
$500,000. He expressed,  "Give you any idea how well  paid we are at                                                            
the  bottom end?  How fair  the bottom  end  may be?  How come  that                                                            
middle  is a  big drop?"  He said  this has  been  the situation  in                                                            
Wrangell  and Petersburg  for the past  four years  since SB  36 was                                                            
adopted.  He stated this  category must be  changed and recommended                                                             
changing the ADM to 425  if that would prevent the funding reduction                                                            
for the community of Hooper Bay.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Taylor cautioned,  "Don't allow this  argument to  continue                                                            
that somehow this Committee  is considering a bill that would reduce                                                            
education."  He asserted  that the  truth is this  bill "levels  the                                                            
playing field  for all taxpayers in  the state." He expressed,  "You                                                            
ought  to proud go  forward  and do that.  I would  applaud you  for                                                            
doing it."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor added that  "this is not an inconsistent argument for                                                            
me, I've been  making this argument  for sixteen years. I'd  like to                                                            
see that adjustment be made."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked if  the witness  was in favor  of changing  the                                                            
foundation funding formula.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Taylor  affirmed he  is and that he  hoped it would  be done                                                            
soon. He referenced  SB 94, which he sponsored, saying  that many of                                                            
the changes it  proposes are beneficial to rural communities,  while                                                            
some  were not.  He stressed,  "I thought  overall it  was a  fairer                                                            
blending"  than  the current  formula  as  well as  the legislation                                                             
before the Committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSE, Executive  Director, Association of Alaska  School Boards                                                            
testified  that  the association  opposes  SB 174  for  a number  of                                                            
reasons.  He  stated  that  it  is a  "myopic  approach"  and  is  a                                                            
reactionary  bill that does not proactively  addressing the  future.                                                            
He noted earlier  discussions about "everyone living  under the same                                                            
rule." He remarked that  Alaska is diverse and policy accommodations                                                            
are made constantly because  of this. He noted that he does not view                                                            
current school funding as, "so adversely different."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose spoke  as a Skagway resident,  saying his community  became                                                            
economically depressed  with the loss of the railroad  system and he                                                            
described  the steps taken  to rebuild the  economy. He referred  to                                                            
testimony taken  on SB 36 when residents  of Skagway contributed  53                                                            
percent of the  cost of local education, "and felt  they were paying                                                            
an inordinate amount by comparison to everyone else."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose noted  that students in Skagway also performed  well on the                                                            
exit exams.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose  stated  that SB 36  cost between  $23 and  $25 million  to                                                            
implement. However,  he remarked that those funds  were discontinued                                                            
due to a decrease in enrollment,  an increase in property values and                                                            
an  increase  in  Impact  Aid.   He  concluded  the  net  result  is                                                            
communities  are required  "to do  more and be  more accountable  in                                                            
education, but  we're not receiving the adequate funding  to do it."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose  expressed there  is a mentality  to negotiate withdrawals                                                             
from the Constitutional  Budget Reserve  fund each session  in order                                                            
to balance the  budget. As a result of this mentality,  he said, "we                                                            
start  to remove  opportunity."  He  stressed  the need  to  prepare                                                            
students  to pass the exit  exam and asserted  that schools  are not                                                            
currently funded at a level that permits this.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose  shared that  he served on  the funding  task force  and he                                                            
spoke  of  the efforts  to  "attach  our  costs  to our  needs."  He                                                            
suggested  the  Committee  review  the  task  force's  findings.  He                                                            
stressed that  this legislation would,  "reappropriate money  around                                                            
the state" but  would not, "look at what it takes  for us to be able                                                            
to do a better  job." He suggested  that an investment is  needed in                                                            
the K-12 education system.  He warned that continue to depend on the                                                            
CBR to provide this funding is, "putting ourselves at risk."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose concluded  by telling the  Committee, "You will  be hearing                                                            
from city councils and borough assemblies."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly adjourned the meeting at 10:56 AM                                                                           

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